are donuts and bagels convergent or divergent evolution ?
Convergent, their doughs are different, they’re baked different, but they evolved to scratch the itch of wanting to eat something with a hole
is that historically correct ? because they could have come from a common ancestor which split to have two different doughs. so what I’m asking you is: which came first, the dough or the hole ?
The dough, there’s others like those (sorry I’ll have to mix german words in here)
Deep fried Hefeteig (doughnut dough) has always been a long standing tradition (Kräppel, Fastnetsküchle, und weiteres Siedegebäck)
The more bready bagels probably followed the footsteps of the popular doughnut while staying true to the original dough.
so did they originally have the hole, or did they evolve to have the hole ? are you saying bagels were inspired by doughnuts and were just pieces of bread before ? if one did not exist without the hole, and did not exist before the other, then such would imply a divergent evolution
It’s more like when a harmless insect evolves colouring to look like a hornet.
The doughnut is just one in a long, long line of fried doughs and came first. And also not all doughnuts have holes. I mostly only see them in American media. Most doughnuts where I live are bun-shaped with a jam or custard filling. They’re still doughnuts.
I don’t know about the history of bagels, but there are others dense cake-like breads that are similar, but serve a very different purpose here.
I’d guess that the bagel is native to the US, and the American sub-species of doughnut started to converge on form in order to mimic the indigenous stock, but then found it’s own niche and diverged radically in terms of colouration and topping.
bagels are native to poland and date back long before the Americas were known about to the rest of the world
I stand corrected. I will have to do more research.