the way gay ppl online talk abt classical um. faggotry is interesting. every time i see a ‘ancient greece/rome was a queer paradise’ im like girl lets separate fantasy and fact. we can all imagine two beefy bearded warrior type guys blowing each other. we can even jerk off to that. but that was NOT what was going on back then
like they didnt do what we think about or mean when we say gay sex - anal, fellatio, etc. that was not a part of the norm. they didnt accept what we now think when we say consensual sex - which we think of as between two consenting adults (or two consenting teens). those that engaged in that kind of gay sex (as-we-think-of-it-today), especially those who preferred to be penetrated, were shamed and punished.
and thats before we even begin discussing gender deviancy and relationships between women. hell, even the basic rights of women.
