doberbutts:
doberbutts:
Actually turning things over in my brain and yeah, I’d say that’s probably my feeling on a lot of these conversations. The wrong thing is getting blamed.
White people do experience racism. The problem is when people hear that they think “people of color have power over white people” and not “under white supremacy, there are white people who are regarded as Not White Enough”.
Men are oppressed. The problem is that people tend to think the ending of that sentence is “by women” and not “under the patriarchy, men are forced into a very specific and often harmful role and are heavily punished for any deviance from that role”.
And the well has been poisoned by bad actors, so it’s hard to get any amount of conversation about this going without either attracting said bad actors to totally derail the whole thing or without having kneejerk suspicion from the getgo due to said bad actors’ previous actions.
Which is also why literally any time anyone says “this is a thing that sucks” the reaction usually is “booooo you think women oppress men” or “boooooo you think reverse racism is real” even when the post literally says otherwise.
I say “trans men who are not yet/never able/don’t want to pass as men are often treated like women and subjected to misogyny” and “trans men who fit a very specific cishet passing picture often have access to male privilege in the way that others may not” in the same post and I’m told “booooooooo you think trans women oppress trans men” when I not only didn’t mention trans women at all but also am talking about the way cishet society treats trans men and how our relationship to misogyny and male privilege is incredibly complicated and often interwoven throughout the various phases of our individual journeys.
I say “I had a boyfriend who was a white guy with monolid eyes and he confided in me about how badly people treat him when they think he’s Asian” and I get “booooo you think reverse racism is real” when I’m talking about how white racists beat him up when he was walking down the street.
I say “I’ve seen white feminists advocate for genocide by saying we should kill all the men in various war-torn countries like Afghanistan and Syria” and “white people do not understand the black experience and to understand the black experience you need to also study black feminism” and I get “booooo you think women oppress men” when I’m talking about how even white liberals and leftists are often still racist.
And yeah I know piss on the poor website and all that but like. Come on folks, it’s not that hard to read.
In real life, people sometimes mistake me for being Not White (usually I get mistaken for being Korean or Chinese, sometimes hispanic or latino if I’m presenting more masculine. Something about my eye shape, accent, or hair is the answer I usually get when I ask about it).
This happened more often when I was a teenager, especially if I took off my glasses (this is when people would mention the shape and size of my eyes), or when I was practicing for my Japanese classes. When I was taking testosterone, my facial hair (and the curly dark hair I already had) made me look hispanic or latino to some people, to the point where people who were ACTUALLY hispanic or latino would start speaking to me in their native language, under the assumption that I was from the same culture as them. It has been a while since either thing has happened, but when it was more frequent, I also faced bigotry based on these false perceptions.
When Covid first hit, people would like. Throw shit at me at my job, or call me sinophobic slurs, or threaten me, or spit on me, etc. I hesitate to talk about it a lot because people assume I’m trying to say “I experience racism for being white” when really it’s “I do not face racism for being white, but I have, on occasion, faced racism at the hands of people who didn’t realize I’m white.” When people mistook me for hispanic/latino more frequently, around when Trump was gaining support, I was CONSTANTLY having maga hat wearing assholes taunting me, people telling me to leave the country, threatened with violence, etc. And correcting them not only does nothing to dispel the aggressors’ bigoted viewpoints, it also doesn’t stop the violence that is happening to the individual in question in that moment.
White people will NOT experience racism or oppression for being white. I don’t think anyone would say that in good faith. However, we have to take the perspectives of those who intentionally harm others into account when discussing lived experiences. The experiences that we as humans have do not always line up with how people believe things would or should happen. In fact, they rarely ever do.
I’m wondering if there’s a word for this? For bigotry that impacts a group it was not intended to (white people being mistaken for BIPOC, allocishet people being mistaken for queer, physically abled people being mistaken for being physically disabled, neurotyoicals being mistaken for neurodivergent, etc., and recieving harm based on those false peeceptions)
There’s not a specific word for this (to my knowledge) in part because in many countries these all still fit the legal definition of “hate crime” and “discriminiation” under whatever demographic it’s “technically” intended for.
So for instance the guy who screamed in my face that “we’re in American and in America we speak English and not fucking Mexican” because I said an Americanized French word (pate) regarding the style of dog food he was asking for when I worked retail, is operating under anti-Mexican and anti-latino bigotry. The woman who threw her purchase at my head while calling me a “job stealing Mexican bitch” also is the same.
It doesn’t matter that I’m not Mexican. That I wasn’t speaking Spanish. And that I’m neither a woman nor a female dog nor did I steal anyone’s shitty minimum wage cashier job. These people hate Mexicans. To them, I was Mexican-looking enough for me to receive their hatred. No amount of me correcting them would have improved the situation- the woman in question was black. The man was white.
These people are anti-Mexican and xenophobic. Under current hate crime and discrimination law if I had pursued either of these things in court, that is what it would be sorted under. Hate crime and discrimination law is very clear that it is the thought process of the bigot, not the identity of the target, that determines whether it counts. If the bigot swings at Mexicans and hits a black guy, it still counts as an anti-Mexican hate crime. The problem is that the bigot hates Mexicans. And because I’ve been caught in the crosshairs, even if I don’t care about other people’s suffering (which I do, don’t get it twisted), it behooves me to care about putting an end to these xenophobic actions because I’m also getting hurt by them.
I might not be the intended target, but a bullet in the chest will kill you even if the killer was aiming for the guy to your left and hit you instead.